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		<title>By: Russ Leonard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian-

I am have been examining the questions posed in your article for about 8 years now.  I have had a running debate with my father about whether the church should be considered a business.  As a former IMB missionary it is difficult for me to accept the idea that the church is a business.  The literal meaning of the word Ekklesia is &quot;the people called out by God&quot;.  However, our current understanding of church does not reflect that definition.  Our church has more in common with Roman Catholism that has now morphed into the business model of our modern age.  I am not trying to attack the church but just to state the facts.

If you ask the average person today what a church is they will point to a buiding, an organization, a pastor or programs.  This is not the biblical definition of the word Ekklesia.  We have traded the concept that we are all called out people of God and replaced it with the idea that it is something else.  What would happen if persecution broke out against the church in America?  Do you think the church would look much differently?

What if our current &quot;models&quot; of church and traditions are quenching God&#039;s Spirit and creating a codependency that prohibits people from truly being dependent on Christ?  

If you were to ask someone from the first century where they went to church, I&#039;m pretty sure that they would look at you like you had 2 heads.  That is because that they understood that they were the church.  The people met of out necessity in order to spread the gospel and to minister to one another.  They confessed sins to each other and they discussed what they were learning together.  They were a people who would go and tell the good news rather than the come and see mentality that perverts our understanding of church today.

I share this with you because I have been passing through this fire over the past 8 years.  There are many traditions and non biblical teachings that I God has been purging from me.  

I am still connected to brothers and sisters in a more traditional church because I do believe we need one another.  What I am finding is that more and more people want to transistion to different understanding of church because they are tired of being fed the same things over and over again.  The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results.

I think that it is awesome that you are taking a hard look at problems within the church and taking action on those problems.  Here is a link to an article that shows some more of the differences in mindsets.
http://www.ptmin.org/Neue.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian-</p>
<p>I am have been examining the questions posed in your article for about 8 years now.  I have had a running debate with my father about whether the church should be considered a business.  As a former IMB missionary it is difficult for me to accept the idea that the church is a business.  The literal meaning of the word Ekklesia is &#8220;the people called out by God&#8221;.  However, our current understanding of church does not reflect that definition.  Our church has more in common with Roman Catholism that has now morphed into the business model of our modern age.  I am not trying to attack the church but just to state the facts.</p>
<p>If you ask the average person today what a church is they will point to a buiding, an organization, a pastor or programs.  This is not the biblical definition of the word Ekklesia.  We have traded the concept that we are all called out people of God and replaced it with the idea that it is something else.  What would happen if persecution broke out against the church in America?  Do you think the church would look much differently?</p>
<p>What if our current &#8220;models&#8221; of church and traditions are quenching God&#8217;s Spirit and creating a codependency that prohibits people from truly being dependent on Christ?  </p>
<p>If you were to ask someone from the first century where they went to church, I&#8217;m pretty sure that they would look at you like you had 2 heads.  That is because that they understood that they were the church.  The people met of out necessity in order to spread the gospel and to minister to one another.  They confessed sins to each other and they discussed what they were learning together.  They were a people who would go and tell the good news rather than the come and see mentality that perverts our understanding of church today.</p>
<p>I share this with you because I have been passing through this fire over the past 8 years.  There are many traditions and non biblical teachings that I God has been purging from me.  </p>
<p>I am still connected to brothers and sisters in a more traditional church because I do believe we need one another.  What I am finding is that more and more people want to transistion to different understanding of church because they are tired of being fed the same things over and over again.  The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results.</p>
<p>I think that it is awesome that you are taking a hard look at problems within the church and taking action on those problems.  Here is a link to an article that shows some more of the differences in mindsets.<br />
<a href="http://www.ptmin.org/Neue.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ptmin.org/Neue.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Outsourcing your faith? &#171; Pastor&#39;s Blog - KingsWay Church</title>
		<link>http://brianmosleyblog.com/2010/02/08/5-reasons-we-are-outsourcing-our-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Outsourcing your faith? &#171; Pastor&#39;s Blog - KingsWay Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Part of the reason why inward postures thrive in many churches is because of our consumeristic culture that has crept into the church.  Brian Mosely, president of the RightNow Campaign, writes about this in his fascinating and cutting article: Outsourcing Your Faith [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Part of the reason why inward postures thrive in many churches is because of our consumeristic culture that has crept into the church.  Brian Mosely, president of the RightNow Campaign, writes about this in his fascinating and cutting article: Outsourcing Your Faith [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent topic for discussion and it is needed.  I do believe that the answer to the consumer driven church has already been identified and a movement in that direction has begun. It is a simple return to 1st century practices. People who are searching for a greater reality in their spiritual life are learning how the 1st century church operated and adopt perhaps not all but many of those principles. It kind of looks like small groups taken to extreme. Brian you&#039;e right it is not easy to leave all the &quot;stuff&quot; behind but I believe that where I have witnessed this in action there is a greater level of involvment by all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent topic for discussion and it is needed.  I do believe that the answer to the consumer driven church has already been identified and a movement in that direction has begun. It is a simple return to 1st century practices. People who are searching for a greater reality in their spiritual life are learning how the 1st century church operated and adopt perhaps not all but many of those principles. It kind of looks like small groups taken to extreme. Brian you&#8217;e right it is not easy to leave all the &#8220;stuff&#8221; behind but I believe that where I have witnessed this in action there is a greater level of involvment by all.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Mosley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Mosley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne-

Thanks for the comment.  My post wasn&#039;t meant to be a sermon, but more observation and the beginning of a discussion.  I would be interested in hearing others thoughts on the alternative for outsourcing.  I don&#039;t think the road to get there is easy ... but I think it&#039;s the solution is two-pronged.  Leaders have to constantly equip and encourage people that they are &quot;ministers&quot; in their neighborhoods, at work ... wherever.  They are missionaries no matter their geography.  And second I think individuals have to take the Bible seriously.  Read scripture and discover the kind of obedience and sacrifice Jesus calls people to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne-</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.  My post wasn&#8217;t meant to be a sermon, but more observation and the beginning of a discussion.  I would be interested in hearing others thoughts on the alternative for outsourcing.  I don&#8217;t think the road to get there is easy &#8230; but I think it&#8217;s the solution is two-pronged.  Leaders have to constantly equip and encourage people that they are &#8220;ministers&#8221; in their neighborhoods, at work &#8230; wherever.  They are missionaries no matter their geography.  And second I think individuals have to take the Bible seriously.  Read scripture and discover the kind of obedience and sacrifice Jesus calls people to.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne stokeling</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayne stokeling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pastor
The sermon was great until the end.
What is the model for this alternative to outsourcing? 
Not the plug for the&quot;well known&quot; ministers but what did He give to.you?
Please finish the sermon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pastor<br />
The sermon was great until the end.<br />
What is the model for this alternative to outsourcing?<br />
Not the plug for the&#8221;well known&#8221; ministers but what did He give to.you?<br />
Please finish the sermon?</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Consumerism &#171; Jewell Chapel</title>
		<link>http://brianmosleyblog.com/2010/02/08/5-reasons-we-are-outsourcing-our-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Consumerism &#171; Jewell Chapel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 02:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  post by Brian Mosley: 5 Reasons We are Outsourcing our Faith [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://brianmosleyblog.com/2010/02/08/5-reasons-we-are-outsourcing-our-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree and I think that the other problem we see is the lack of understanding and compassion that comes from this mentality. I think $25 is way too much to pay for an oil change, until I drive to the parts store, buy the needed parts and any tools I&#039;m lacking then have to crawl under my car and spend 30 minutes getting dirty and ruining my t shirt. Only then I realize that $25 bucks is a good deal. When we outsource our faith the same thing is true. We give $25 in the offering and think that is some high price that you are paying to spread the gospel. If we aren&#039;t willing to equip ourselves and risk getting dirty we won&#039;t realize the cost that evangelism really has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree and I think that the other problem we see is the lack of understanding and compassion that comes from this mentality. I think $25 is way too much to pay for an oil change, until I drive to the parts store, buy the needed parts and any tools I&#8217;m lacking then have to crawl under my car and spend 30 minutes getting dirty and ruining my t shirt. Only then I realize that $25 bucks is a good deal. When we outsource our faith the same thing is true. We give $25 in the offering and think that is some high price that you are paying to spread the gospel. If we aren&#8217;t willing to equip ourselves and risk getting dirty we won&#8217;t realize the cost that evangelism really has.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you SO much for sharing your thoughts on this topic!  You are so right - we need to step up and stop &quot;outsourcing&quot; our faith and start taking responsibility for it ourselves.  We are living in a consumer driven world, and we have turned to the church to serve us in the same way.  We need to step up to the plate and serve the church!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you SO much for sharing your thoughts on this topic!  You are so right &#8211; we need to step up and stop &#8220;outsourcing&#8221; our faith and start taking responsibility for it ourselves.  We are living in a consumer driven world, and we have turned to the church to serve us in the same way.  We need to step up to the plate and serve the church!</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I truly believe that as you said, it starts with the leadership at the top. They get the ship sailing in the right direction. They cast the vision they&#039;re received from God. Then it&#039;s up to the church to follow that example.

&quot;I believe the predominant culture among churches over the past 20 years has driven towards church growth as the most prized statistic.&quot;  

Isn&#039;t this so true? But it&#039;s tragic because numbers have nothing to do with whether &quot;the church&quot; is seeking a life of righteousness and holiness. It has nothing to do with whether they&#039;ve been transformed by the gospel and are being sent out on mission to impact the world. Our measurement should rather be about who is becoming a fully devoted follower of Christ.

I&#039;m hopeful that God will awaken the hearts of many churches who are trying to do it their way, and instead seek God&#039;s will. Thank you for this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I truly believe that as you said, it starts with the leadership at the top. They get the ship sailing in the right direction. They cast the vision they&#8217;re received from God. Then it&#8217;s up to the church to follow that example.</p>
<p>&#8220;I believe the predominant culture among churches over the past 20 years has driven towards church growth as the most prized statistic.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this so true? But it&#8217;s tragic because numbers have nothing to do with whether &#8220;the church&#8221; is seeking a life of righteousness and holiness. It has nothing to do with whether they&#8217;ve been transformed by the gospel and are being sent out on mission to impact the world. Our measurement should rather be about who is becoming a fully devoted follower of Christ.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hopeful that God will awaken the hearts of many churches who are trying to do it their way, and instead seek God&#8217;s will. Thank you for this post.</p>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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